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The Intelligence Question

So my last post on Nassim Taleb’s mental retardation has triggered quite a lot of laughs and chuckles, and also some criticism. Some people say I was not rigorous enough when writing about Nassim Taleb’s books.

To those people I say: hold my beer. Seriously, people, this is a blog. A free blog, which I write under a pseudonym. I seek nothing from my writing, besides it being an avenue to make interesting friends. Which I have, dozens of them, and God bless them. But surely in this little place of mine which I offer free of charge, I’m entitled to shit on people for fun once in a while, especially if they’ve given good reason, as Taleb did by saying the most retarded thing that anyone can say: that black overpopulation is not a problem because they’ll turn out just as smart as the Germanic tribes did in post-Roman Europe.

That’ s not just retarded, that’s the most harmful and dangerous thing that you can say, period. The most dire danger to Western Civilization, to our lands, to our families, to our friends, to everything we hold dear, is the demographic replacement of Western populations by immigrants from Africa and the Middle East. Taleb is saying that’s not a problem! Well, fuck Taleb, fuck his books, his goatee, his accent. Fuck his deadlift, his insecurity about his racial background, and everything about him. And fuck you.

And besides, this kind of pedantic arguments about “oh you didn’t spend weeks reading his book to understand the math”, or concern trolling about the effects on group morale of criticizing a man who (to his credit, which I had always given before this week) at least makes a point of looking and sounding like a real man and not a soy-infused mangina, reveal you are the kind of person that Taleb hates. Taleb is a middle-eastern man who, by sheer biology, just can’t stand North-Western European nerds. And to be honest I can relate to that. So at any rate, don’t be a nerd and defend Taleb with nerdy, over-rigorous arguments. I don’t care, and he hates your guts.

Going back to the gist of Taleb’s argument, all he said was a bunch of wrong and disingenuous arguments about the importance of IQ (you can read a good summary here) , all done for the sole purpose of signaling his long dislike of nerds. And again, I can relate. There’s much to dislike about nerds. They are often annoying, and their lack of skill at enjoying the many pleasures of life is *very* harmful for many of us who just want to have a pleasant life and not live a life of drudgery at work. Let alone the harm that nerds do at showering thots and assorted single women with heaps of attention and money. Yes, nerds are bad. If Taleb had just said if he were King he’d randomly kill 5 nerds every fortnight just to make a point, I’d probably have retweeted that with implied approval.

But that’s not what he said. He went on a long obfuscating tirade about IQ being pseudoscience. And yes, IQ fetishism, the idea that IQ is all that ever matters, is weird and wrong, and mostly a vehicle for nerds who have nothing besides IQ going on for them, to feel good about themselves. But so what? Are nerds and their small attempts at mutually licking their wounds and achieving some tiny amount of self-esteem a serious problem for our world?

No, not even close. The real problem in our world is that high-IQ people, not just nerds, but just basically everybody half-functional, is failing to produce children, leaving a huge demographic vacuum which greedy business-owners and evil politicians are using to import dumb and hostile foreigners into our lands. *That* is the problem. And in our modern world, where the rights of ethnic peoples to their own homelands on purely ethnic and historical grounds is not accepted (because Nazis), in our modern scientistic modern world where the only acceptable public arguments must be written in the form of formal science, the only effective, true, empirically provable, and most importantly, legal argument to oppose the influx of millions of dumb and hostile immigrants into our lands, is the biological basis of IQ, and the different distribution of IQ between racial groups.

I wish it weren’t so. I wish the French could just say that France belongs to them and their posterity because they freaking say so, and everyone else will be expelled or killed. I wish White Americans could say they colonized and developed the continent, so it belongs to them, period. Talking about IQ is just a roundabout way of saying that dumb and hostile foreigners don’t belong to our countries. It has the obvious pitfall that East Asians are even higher-IQ than Whites, and yet nobody wants 100 million Chinese to immigrate to their countries.

Yes, it would be much better if we had solid measures of not only intelligence, but creativity, integrity, decisiveness, leadership abilities, and whatnot. If we had, we’d surely find out that different ethnic groups have different distributions of every trait. We could even use them to define the national character of many countries, and perhaps plausibly use that definition to set a psychological legal standard for the demographics a country wants to maintain. Perhaps we’ll get there some day. But we’re not there yet.

All we have is IQ, which individually tells you indeed very little about how useful a man is going to be for a particular task, but when averaged over populations tells you if a place is a shithole full of dumb people, or it’s a civilized and mildly pleasant place. IQ does an *exceptional* job at predicting that. Japan is nice. Denmark is nice. Morocco is not nice. Black Africa is awful. You may not like China, but it’s orders of magnitude more pleasant to live in than India.

So again, I understand all the criticisms about IQ itself, or about IQ-fetishism, or about nerds in general. I get it. I really do. My IQ is nothing special, I’m no nerd, I do my deadlifts myself. But that’s completely besides the point. The fight right now is for every civilized country to defend itself and its people. It’s a tough fight, and right now we’re losing it. Nerds are part of my people. Taleb, and the Africans he is so “sensitive” abut are not. A time will come to de-emphasize the importance of IQ and all that. But now it’s not that time.

74 responses to “The Intelligence Question

  1. Samuel Skinner January 6, 2019 at 22:14

    “where the rights of ethnic peoples to their own homelands on purely ethnic and historical grounds is not accepted (because Nazis),”

    Unless they are Vietnamese. Or Kurds. Or whatever flavor of the months is useful for the lefts interests. I’m not sure using IQ arguments are any freer of ‘because Nazis’; not like the Nazis believed in respecting ethnic and historic homelands after all.

    That said, it is useful since it shows who is our enemies and is trying to kill us. If we survive, lets us know what countries to reduce to rubble and colonize.

  2. lhtness January 6, 2019 at 22:21

    Average IQ works pretty well for predicting how well a country is doing, but the most obvious exception isn’t present day China. It’s present-day North Korea.

    • Samuel Skinner January 6, 2019 at 22:45

      It does accurately predict North Korea has low crime and violence.

    • spandrell January 6, 2019 at 23:25

      I say China because it’s my speciality and it tends to elicit mixed reactions from my readership.

    • rcglinski January 7, 2019 at 16:47

      North Korea is just what communism looks like in a high IQ population. Anyone can do oppression and starvation, but you never saw Cuba or Ethiopia building intercontinental ballistic missiles.

      • Sorcerygod at sorsgod.wordpress.com January 10, 2019 at 03:52

        Cuba is not a fair comparison in that it was a client-state of the Soviets, beholden to them, and had a lower population than North Korea. Cuban survival was assured because of their client-status, a thorn in the American side that assured Washington would stalk but not pounce. Nukes, Polaris-type subs, and mighty aircraft carriers are fine for superpowers, anyway, but what good would they do a smallish state, anyways?

        • Nix January 10, 2019 at 08:19

          Nukes mean that the Washington Hegemony and other big bullies in the world have something to fear if they fuck with you.

    • akarlin January 11, 2019 at 17:44

      To the contrary, North Korea is one of the ultimate arguments for the validity of HBD.

      Dial me up when the US moves tens of thousands of troops into Togo and rings West Africa with ABM bases to contain the military power of Benin.

  3. lalit January 6, 2019 at 23:46

    China was not a more pleasant place to live that India all the way from Antiquity to 1000 A.D., When the successful Islamic invasions began (They had been invading without success between 668AD and 1000 AD). In fact, it was not more pleasant place to live than India between 1947 and 1991. Some other measure than IQ is required to explain why China does better. That reason is Islam. Let 15% ethnic Chinese convert to Islam overnight and it will turn into India in a decade. As will Japan, as will Korea, as will Northern Europe as will the Anglosphere. You don’t need different races. Islam will do the Job. There is no need to use a convoluted measures like IQ to explain India’s backwardness when a simple, precise accurate measure like Islam will do.

    • grey enlightenment January 7, 2019 at 01:03

      iq is a necessary but possibly still insufficient condition

      • lalit January 7, 2019 at 01:34

        It appears that IQ is what you get after becoming prosperous, much like Good Looks.
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3834612/

        So it appears that IQ does not cause an advanced civilization. It is more like an advanced civilization causes it’s people to have high IQ.

        • spandrell January 7, 2019 at 01:37

          Nope. Look at Brunei, look at the Gulf Arabs. Sorry to break this to you, but intelligence is genetic.

          • lalit January 7, 2019 at 04:27

            No one is contesting the genetics of intelligence. What is being contested is whether IQ measures intelligence at all. And whether high IQ is what leads to prosperity and civilization. As for Islam, Islam becomes a problem for sure where it is a significant minority and causes a low level civil war between muslims and non muslims. Brunei and Gulf Arab states are 100% muslim and hence no low level state of civil war between religions. 100% Muslim is far better than 80% non-muslim and 20% muslim while 100% non muslim is the best.

          • iLink January 10, 2019 at 17:55

            People are prone to make confound genotypic potential with phenotypic optimization (fulfilling to the max the potential thereof).
            I have little doubt that eating natural fish a lot in one’s infancy and getting brest-fed, to say two of some, raise one’s IQ. But they just actualize genetic potential.

        • grey enlightenment January 7, 2019 at 02:39

          it’s genetic; blacks lag whites and Asians on even the least possibly culturally biased IQ tests despite modernity and good nutrition All the Flynn Effect means is IQ rise to their biological limt.

      • Duke of Qin January 7, 2019 at 05:52

        To repeat what I wrote at Karlin’s

        High IQ is essential, it serves as the foundation, without it, you won’t get anywhere. The other half is norm adherence. You can call it trust, but it more accurately it should be the established norms that the community is willing to universally accept that lowers social transaction costs. Some people are naturally norm abiding. Some people are not. Some states set up social systems which norm transgression is ruthlessly and efficiently punished. Some states do not. A naturally norm abiding people like the Scandinavians or the Japanese will sheepishly follow community norms no matter what irrespective of external stimuli. Other peoples, like the Russians, the Chinese, and to a degree even the Anglo-Saxons are not norm abiding by default and defections are common. So the defect/defect equilibrium comes into play lowering overall welfare. The English got around this behavior with stringent enforcement of laws and low level social control via feudalism. Russian and Chinese institutions are more patchy in enforcement. Anarcho-Tyranny rather than actual tyranny, thus defections are more common. Shang Yang said it best 2500 years ago, we need brutal enforcement.

        • Dividualist January 15, 2019 at 17:12

          Just because the rewards/punishments regarding abiding to norms are not of the obvious kind like money or prison, it is entirely possible that the whole thing is still just a result of more subtle incentives: status, shame, praise. The very reason Scandinavia felt like they can afford a welfare state was that fairly strict Lutheran morality where if a man would stay more on unemployment than strictly necessary his friends would be shocked and he would quickly lose them. This – status – is just as much an external stimulus than say a monetary fine.

          I am not disputing that genetic elements of norm-abiding behavior can exist. After all culling many criminals is likely to have that effect. But as far as culture – “software” – is concerned, it cannot be separated from incentives, as it is based on the more subtle, status-based incentives. Without that, perhaps some kind of inertia would make older people going, but in the younger generation it would quickly evaporate.

          Typically, either norm-breaking behavior gets low-statused, ostracized, shamed as morally evil, or the opposite, norm-breaking behavior gets praised and respected as bravery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malandragem why it happens it is very hard to answer. My suspicion is that those who praise norm-breaking don’t see those norms as their own norms but more like something forced at them.

          But this is precisely what China, Russia, Eastern Europe etc. could look into. Is getting a personal advantage, say, money, through norm-breaking ostracized or shamed, or rather praised as a smart thing? Because if the later, then THAT is the root problem that needs changing.

    • Duke of Qin January 7, 2019 at 06:20

      Materially the Chinese of antiquity were almost certainly better off in overall welfare than the Indians of yore. Guesstimates trotted out as gospel from Maddison not withstanding, I say this because China was a literate society in a way that ancient India wasn’t. Literate societies are always more advanced than non literate ones. Islam is shit, but it isn’t responsible for all of India’s problems. A lot of them sure, but not all of them. The biggest one is that the average Indian is unfortunately not very bright. The second biggest one is that several thousand years of endogamous mating to preserve caste advantage and the fissioning of lower castes into ever more miniscule jati groups so that they can’t gang up on you has created a mediocre elite whose singular talent is jewing one another. The talent works great against outgroups who haven’t evolved such finely honed instincts, but it sucks ass for everyone involved when every one else is adapted to such behavior too.

      Anyways, when the Muslims become a nuisance, the Chinese know how to handle them. It’s why there are a couple hundred thousand Chinese muslims now in Kazakhstan and Burma because their ancestors got all uppity. It’s also why there are now a million plus Muslims in camps and mosques being demolished because they were starting to get annoying again. Higher IQ involved or simple lack of suicidal stupidity?

      • lalit January 7, 2019 at 19:41

        It is true that the average Indian is not very bright. But the Average westerner is not exactly blowing me away with his intelligence. Not had a chance to observe the Average Chinese, Japanese or Korean as never lived in any of those countries, but I doubt it would be too different.

        There are strong reasons to believe that Caste was not as strongly entrenched before the Islamic invasions began. Once survival becomes an issue, people tend to herd into smaller groups more tightly, hence caste gets stronger. When we read Sanskrit plays from Classical India, we do not find Caste to be anywhere as close to how strong it became later. Castes were more like European guilds around the renaissance. If we consider Hinduism as practiced in Indonesia, Nepal and the Cham in Vietnam, caste is nowhere as strong as it is among Indians. So, some historians strongly suspect some combination of Gupta Empire rule as well as Islam as the reason for this sort of stratification. As a survival strategy under extreme conditions.

        Yes, the Chinese know how to handle Islam as the Japanese knew how to handle Christianity. Looking at what Xi Jinping is doing to Islam/Uighurs/Hui while the Arabs/Turks/Pakistanis barely dare to whimper. Maybe, just maybe, it is the Han who are the master Race. I am becoming more and more open to this possibility over time.

        • Duke of Qin January 8, 2019 at 02:18

          Average Chinese is a dumbass too. Really average anything should elicit disgust once you are fully cognizant of just how stupid the general population is. This doesn’t make them bad people, just people who aren’t relatable because their thinking is so limited. One standard deviation may not seem like much on an individual level, but the law of large numbers dictates it is going to have a significant impact on a social level.

          The genetic reality of the caste system should be by now an established fact, but a cherished myths die hard and its no surprise people keep making excuses for it. Hinduism didn’t cause the caste system. It merely sanctified and rationalized an already existing socio-racial stratification present in India that didn’t exist natively elsewhere where Hinduism put down roots. The Aryan invasion was real. Upper castes display uniformly higher percentages of steppe ancestry than their lower caste neighbors. Strict (as in less than 1% exogeny rates) ingroup marriage was a reality more than 2000 years ago, long before the British or even the Muslims came into existence. The only way such endogamy could have been enforced through such a long time period despite close proximity is either through direct honor killings or by defectors being so harshly ostracized from their group networks that their children had no realistic hope of further reproduction. Such a universal adoption of this type of tight kinship system is indeed a survival strategy, but it wasn’t adopted against Islam but rather bronze age Brahmans.

          • lalit January 8, 2019 at 03:33

            Any sources for all your assertions?

            • Duke of Qin January 8, 2019 at 05:09

              https://caravanmagazine.in/science-technology/what-genetics-reveals-about-indian-origins

              Read up on David Reich and the Rakhigarhi results. Long story short, the genetic evidence all support a male mediated demographic incursion into the Indian subcontinent circa 2000 BC. Simultaneous destruction of the original Indus Valley Civilization (who had no Steppe admixture which now all Indians have to varying degrees). Eventual crystallization of caste endogamy after initial admixture during the Vedic age. The Out of India Theory, the British created Castes theory, the fluid caste theory, are now all empirically unsupportable and the only people holding on to them are for political purposes. Chiefly hindutvadis and some Western anthropologists wedded to the idea of pots not people.

              • lalit January 8, 2019 at 20:36

                Oh great, a leftie magazine! And Lefties have always been exemplars for careful consideration of evidence and Rigor, haven’t they. They would definitely not cherry pick evidence to suit their ideology, would they? They would never try to destabilize their own country, ain’t that right?

                Well, I too have links. Let’s start on my references, they are all scientific studies, by actual geneticists instead of leftie editors with wire hair growing out of their ears and nose.

                Let’s start with the primary reference
                1. https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/the-major-ychromosome-haplotype-xi–haplogroup-r1a-in-eurasia-2161-1041-1000150.pdf

                Moving on to secondary references
                2. https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2009194
                3. https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg20082
                4. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842210/

                Now, let’s summarize the primary reference for those without a science or technical background

                The above is one such major study on genetics which studies the distribution pattern of R1a1 haplotype in detail among the Europeans, Central Asians and Indians. Since R1a1 is common between the above three groups of population, it is used by most studies to study migration patterns in Eurasia. The study looks for prevalence of R1a1 and the frequency of variation in the R1a1 haplotype. The principle behind this study is that, newer groups of people would have far lower variations among them while older population groups would have higher frequency of variations. In other words, older populations would be lot less homogeneous than the newer populations. This is how modern humans’ ancestry is traced back to Africans, because Africans have the highest amount of genetic variations among the different groups of people today.

                the data from the study gives evidence that the R1a1 found in Punjab is the oldest while the central European haplotype is in the middle and Northern European R1a haplotype is the youngest. This pretty much buries the Aryan invasion/migration theories to the ground because if AIT/AMT was true, we would have seen from the genetic results that the Eastern European haplotype being the oldest and Indian haplotype being the youngest since AIT claims that Europeans (the parent population) came as invaders/migrants to North India as Aryans. It is also important to note the age of different population groups in the study. The study states that Central/Eastern European population is 12.5k years old while Northern Population is 6.9K years old. And the Punjabi/North Indian population is at least 15.5k years old.

                The age component in these studies is the most important because as per Aryan Invasion/Migration theory, IVC was Dravidian and it ended because of Migration/Invasion by the Aryans around 1500 BC i.e. 4000 years ago. In the light of above mentioned and similar other genetic studies, the Aryan Invasion theory/Migration theory is off the mark by at least 10000 years. The significance of this fact is that it demolishes the argument of AIT peddlers who push the narrative that Hinduism is not native to India and came with the Aryan invaders. Since North Indian population is at least 15,000 years old, this claim falls flat on its face and make Hinduism indigenous to India and India alone.

                As per the latest genetic studies, population of India is derived from two separate population groups ANI (ancestral North indians) and ASI (Ancestral South Indians). The data suggests that ANI came to India at around 60000 BC and ASI came to India at around 45000 BC. But without falling for the labels, the ANI and ASI are not synonymous with Aryans and Dravidians as some the AMT/AIT enthusiasts try to make it up. North Indians on average have about 60% ANI genes and 40% ASI genes while South Indians on average have 40% ANI genes and 60% ASI genes. The South and North Indian names for ASI and ANI are given out respectively to denote that they contributed to South Indians and North Indians respectively more and not as a distinct North Indian Aryan or South Indian Dravidian entity. This is also the reason why the South Indians also share genetic similarity with the Europeans. Since North Indians share 40% genetic material with South Indians, and Europeans share 60-70% genetic similarity with North Indians, we find that Europeans have 20-30% genetic commonality with the South Indians. This could also mean that this mixture of North and South Indian ancestors must have happened before 5000 years. This also puts rest to the theories that Aryan invaders became upper castes and the Dravidians became lower castes as Hinduism originated 5000 years back, years after the ANI and ASI had already mixed and because the upper castes of North India have 30-40% ASI genes and lower castes of south India have 30-40% North Indian genes, meaning the birth of castes happened only after near thorough mixing of the two parent populations of India – ASI and ANI

                The first part is sample selection. Like in case of any other study, random samples are taken from a selected population group. Then, a particular gene loci is selected to study. Gene loci have multiple expressions of genes. For example- tall and short beans plants. So the place where the gene sits is the gene loci- in this case the place where the tall and short genes sits is the gene loci. And the tall and short genes are the different kind of genes.

                Once you understand the gene loci and different genes, we can move on to next topic i.e. single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNP)!

                SNP is nothing but changes in a gene in a single nucleotide, but it does not change the behaviour of the gene significantly and so no discernible phenotype difference can be seen (appearance differences). So SNPs , because they don’t confer any genetic advantages, can be used as a tools for study of distribution and migration of populations. For example, if a tallness gene is identified and its distribution is studied, you will find variations in its distribution because of the different kinds of survival advantages being tall gives. So tallness gene cannot be used for studying migrations, as any undue selection pressures (like better survival advantages, mate selections etc) can confound the study. But SNPs , which don’t affect the survival significantly, are of great help in studying migrations as the pattern of its distribution can only be a result of migrations. But how does one apply SNPs to interpret the data here?

                Let’s say that there is a parent population A. It has a gene with SNP- R1a1. Also let’s say, it is present in a place called X. Now, any mutation in R1a1 will be transferred within that group to their progenies. Also, the frequency distribution of any new mutation will be similar in the population A.

                Let’s say after a few centuries, a sub group of population A move from place X to a new place Y. Since X is far from Y, any new mutations in pop A in X won’t be found in the pop in Y. So while new mutations might occur in Y, the new mutations will occur in X as well, but since X is the parent population, it will have more variety of variations. So the higher the degree of variations in the genetics, the older the population must be.

                So when the scientists study X and Y populations and their SNPs, the population which has a higher density of variations will be the older among the two. This is how scientists concluded that the modern humans came out of Africa because of the highest density of variations there.

                Now, when the sub part of population A moves into Y, there might me some natives to the land Y too. So when the natives mix with the sub group of population A, those who migrated from X to Y, the frequency/density of the R1a1 will decrease among them due to mixing with natives from Y. So higher the density of the R1a1, the older the population group. That’s how the above mentioned study by Lucotte claims that the Punjab with the highest density of R1a is the oldest population group.

                Quod Erat Demonstrandum, Dear Gentlemen of the reaction!

                • Aldon January 9, 2019 at 00:46

                  Meanwhile nobody credible who studies Ancient DNA denies the Aryan Migration.

                  • lalit January 9, 2019 at 05:40

                    Those were academic papers by geneticists! Why is it so hard to make a simple logical point concerning India out here? Its always aryan invasion this, Sati that, caste this and untouchability that! And since when were leftie journalists and academics credible sources on a neo-reactionary site?

                    I guess the program is reaction for the Caucasians and Leftism for everyone else. Congratulations on your holiness spirals, your virtue signaling, your race replacement, your leftist singularities, dear Caucasians! You’ve earned it!

                    Colonel Singh Sir, I’m back to lifting weights! The hell with these guys! Their institutions are being prepared for an eventual take-over by Islam any way.

                  • Aldon January 9, 2019 at 17:18

                    India is still a shithole. Just letting you know, Pajeet.

                  • lalit January 9, 2019 at 19:02

                    Paris, Malmo, Brussels and Detroit are also shitHoles. London, Berlin, Netherlands and the rest of are soon to follow. Just giving you a heads up, Mohammed!

                  • spandrell January 10, 2019 at 05:13

                    If you think Paris (as bad as it’s getting) is in any way comparable to an Indian city… I don’t know what to say to you.

                  • lalit January 10, 2019 at 06:48

                    It’s not! But going by past and present trends, it will get there. So will the rest of the western world. You too will know the benefits of Islam. And it does seem you are all eager too.

                    The Chinese will then discuss how all western prosperity was built on loot and in the absence of someone to dominate, how the west is inherently unstable because of the naturally low intelligence and inherent criminal nature of the individual caucasian. Some of my Chinese colleagues already talk like this. Killer looter nations is the exact term they use.

                    There was a time Indians used to think that they were the apex of civilization and refinement as Alberuni notes during his travels through India in the last millenium. Things change. Nothing lasts for ever. Neither will western civilization.

                  • lalit January 10, 2019 at 06:52

                    What do you know, Spandrell? The Indians are already discussion Mumbai Vs Paris in their media. Here is a link
                    http://mb.ntdin.tv/en/article/english/not-mumbai-slum-paris-know-called

                    Lets wait a decade, shall we?

                    You’re not too far away from the day that other races (Chinese/Japanese/Koreans) start thinking of western Europeans as not too far away from Apes. We’ll both know it’s really Islam, but no one will listen, drunk in schadenfreude and self-satisfaction as your friend Aldon is!

                  • spandrell January 10, 2019 at 16:27

                    Oh shut up. Paris will still be better than Mumbai even if it’s the capital of the Caliphate. Paris is forever.

                  • Lalit January 10, 2019 at 17:36

                    Hahahahaha!

                  • Aldon January 10, 2019 at 17:41

                    >The Chinese will then discuss how all western prosperity was built on loot and in the absence of someone to dominate, how the west is inherently unstable because of the naturally low intelligence and inherent criminal nature of the individual caucasian. Some of my Chinese colleagues already talk like this. Killer looter nations is the exact term they use.

                    Ask them how come the Middle East never achieved what the West has (see the lack of an industrial revolution) despite hoards of slaves and attempts at conquering. And also how lands like Scandnavia’s perform so well despite no significant presence among colonials compared with the French or British.

                    >There was a time Indians used to think that they were the apex of civilization and refinement as Alberuni notes during his travels through India in the last millenium. Things change. Nothing lasts for ever. Neither will western civilization.

                    Whatever you say, Pajeet.

                  • Aldon January 10, 2019 at 20:03

                    Also:
                    >Those were academic papers by geneticists! Why is it so hard to make a simple logical point concerning India out here? Its always aryan invasion this, Sati that, caste this and untouchability that! And since when were leftie journalists and academics credible sources on a neo-reactionary site?

                    Those papers had no access to ancient samples. The ones advocating for Aryan Migration/Invasion do. That’s the ultimate difference.

                  • lalit January 21, 2019 at 06:44

                    No access to ancient samples? AIT is 150 years old since Max Mueller when people had not even heard of DNA. Much as I admire Spandrell and Jim and hate Islamic and leftists, I still hope that leftists and islamics destroy what is left of western civilization. We are civilizational enemies and cannot co-exist. Either we live or you do. So much as I admire you as foes, I hope and wish for your destruction.

                • Aldon January 10, 2019 at 17:37

                  What’s with Pajeets and Chinks? They always chips on their shoulders. At least Negroes can be fun to hang around.

    • Wency January 7, 2019 at 20:25

      Most of what’s wrong with this has been addressed by others, but it should be pointed out that in Malthusian societies, economic productivity seems to translate more to population density than standard of living. See Greg Clark.

      I’d have to guess the best place to live for much of preindustrial history was some Polynesian island that had only recently been settled and therefore enjoyed low population density, with everyone fat and happy.

  4. iTheCathedral January 7, 2019 at 00:55

    Hey, I am a nerd, and if more shared my attitude, females would be paragons of humbleness rectitude and objectivity. Being scorned and brushed off when doing otherwise would select for that behaviour. 90% of men do flattery races soon as a ‘gina is on sight — let’ s not lay the blame for this on nerds.

    And no-one’s as beta as the Very Masculine guy when he’s under her charm — Christs how they morph into the men they used to mock till short earlier.

    I did it too before, but then as Chandler wrote,

    All men are the same
    After the eight one all women are the same too
    .

    ****

    I think mainstream culture elects a subject into relevance — and centrality — out of a will to follow the course that subject indicates. First the horse, second the cart.
    First the will to say “This is our country because we can keep it and we want to”, then the scientific, sociologic, economic, and what you have, arguments to back that up (and justify laws attuned to the people’s mood): no longer censored, or made-up if needed (it makes no difference).

    I don’t know… I think factual arguments are just decorative. The thrust is how many charismatic figures, and figureheads, join a cause. They’ll be followed, whatever they say (or almost).
    See Molyneux: he can say things that would get less charismatic types booed, and strongly motivate quite a number of people, who all of a sudden don’t shudder any more talking about what they wouldn’t dare without his lead.

    Molyneux’s focus is on energising and rallying betas though.
    Smart (and/or evil, to quote you) prophets unite. At least they make a show of uniting.

    ****
    Surprised to see you so open-minded on IQ. All I see are people believing it’s a tell-all about the mind, and cheeky denialists. IQ tells your neural machine’s engine’s horsepower.
    It can still be an all-wheel or rear-drive or front-drive car, a sedan or a cabrio,… and so on.
    And it has your ego sitting at the wheel. Also, most times you don’t get to select the roads.
    But on the average, all other things sorta level out and you’re left with average IQ.

    Things like humanities and art bring into the picture traits like open-mindedness (mind-wandering), neuroticism and so on, but as long as it is about engineering, making money, keeping the streets clean and the trains on time, IQ is almost a tell-all.

  5. Issac January 7, 2019 at 02:10

    Well put, fellow white person.

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  7. info January 7, 2019 at 06:10

    @Spandrell
    Fertility is Eugenic on the Male Side and Dysgenic on the Female side:
    /https://atavisionary.com/career-women-are-dysgenic/

    What’s your thoughts on this fact?

  8. Frankie January 7, 2019 at 11:28

    The fact that high IQ people are not having children is a big part of what Taleb is addressing. Extinction is what he means by “ruin”. So how smart are high IQ people really if they don’t get that?

    • egosphere (@egosphere3) January 7, 2019 at 13:46

      His definition of intelligence is antifragile. He changes it every time the data isn’t in accord with his own emotions.

    • Steve Johnson January 7, 2019 at 16:40

      Oh good – according to Taleb’s reasoning there’s never a need to worry about how a society’s structure could end up selecting for lower intelligence because intelligence is defined as what survives!

      How reassuring (and retarded).

  9. egosphere (@egosphere3) January 7, 2019 at 13:42

    Taleb handed out enough rope to hang him with when he posted the iq / correlation with performance graph on twitter. He talked in a roundabout way of the correlation breaking down once iq goes above 105 or so ( focusing all his energy on disparaging the right tail ), yet when you flip the axis, what you see is a greatly weakening performance once iq drops below 105. Take that iq all the way down to low 80s / 70s and you have a good predictor of which countries will be awful. His very own graph literally predicts that, yet it seemed to completely pass him by.

    The iq distribution is probably left leaning in Africa, since there should be a limit to stupidity beyond which it is hard to quantify (lack of) intellect ( what’s a -3SD iq in Ghana, for example? ). The right tail over there is probably even thinner than what a fitted normal distribution would predict.

  10. J January 7, 2019 at 15:50

    I wish the French could just say that France belongs to them and their posterity because they freaking say so, and everyone else will be expelled or killed. Do you really believe that somebody or something is forbidding the French to say that France belong to them? Really? or it is just a rhetorical exaggeration?

    My first French lesson in the Alliance Francaise was : “Nos Ancetres les Gaulois…” I protested: MY ancestors are not Gaulish nor Celts! It was explained to me that France is a notion, the Patrie of all civilized men. Ce n’est pas tout, they actually meant it!

    BTW, the French are a very intelligent people.

    • Karl January 7, 2019 at 15:58

      Yes, the French are very intelligent. And pious too. They fervently believe in equality, feminism and anti-racism. Presumably because it takes a lot of intelligence to rationalise such a belief.

    • Bartolo January 8, 2019 at 00:55

      >>>Do you really believe that somebody or something is forbidding the French to say that France belong to them? Really? or it is just a rhetorical exaggeration?

      You are incredibly, unbelievably uninformed. You are so effing cluelesss you must be kidding. Right now, there are exiled people (effectively, political exiles) for pointing out (in response to a comic for small kids showing black Celts in Bretagne) that Celts were not black. His name is Boris Le Lay, and he went to Japan to avoid prison for saying what he said. For speaking the truth. Listen to some of Boris’s videos, since you apparently know french.

  11. grey enlightenment January 7, 2019 at 17:50

    Going back to the gist of Taleb’s argument, all he said was a bunch of wrong and disingenuous arguments about the importance of IQ (you can read a good summary here) , all done for the sole purpose of signaling his long dislike of nerds. And again, I can relate. There’s much to dislike about nerds. They are often annoying, and their lack of skill at enjoying the many pleasures of life is *very* harmful for many of us who just want to have a pleasant life and not live a life of drudgery at work. Let alone the harm that nerds do at showering thots and assorted single women with heaps of attention and money. Yes, nerds are bad. If Taleb had just said if he were King he’d randomly kill 5 nerds every fortnight just to make a point, I’d probably have retweeted that with implied approval.

    Low IQ people are even more annoying. “Aggressively stupid” describes them well. Sterilize everyone with an IQ below 90 and society will improve within a few generations.

  12. KK January 7, 2019 at 18:16

    “I seek nothing from my writing, besides it being an avenue to make interesting friends.”

    Maybe the real NRx was the friends we made along the way.

  13. Sorcerygod at sorsgod.wordpress.com January 7, 2019 at 20:14

    Intelligence is harder to measure than the tests indicate. Probably the best indicator of intelligence is written skill which appears in advanced civilizations. If you look at great bureaucrats of the past — everyone from Jonathan Swift to Winston Churchill — they were writers in the employ of the state, writers who knew how to get things done.

    I believe that testing for writing fluidity and the dextrousness of thought, emprinted on the virtual or real page, should count for something, more than matching patterns of red/white blocks together in a limited time-frame.

  14. Rhetocrates January 8, 2019 at 15:01

    I wish it weren’t so. I wish the French could just say that France belongs to them and their posterity because they freaking say so, and everyone else will be expelled or killed. I wish White Americans could say they colonized and developed the continent, so it belongs to them, period. Talking about IQ is just a roundabout way of saying that dumb and hostile foreigners don’t belong to our countries. It has the obvious pitfall that East Asians are even higher-IQ than Whites, and yet nobody wants 100 million Chinese to immigrate to their countries.

    This is the choice bit of this post. (Shitting on NTT might be fun and games, but I can’t hate someone I never paid attention to in the first place.)

    To our credit, this is changing. The whole mass immigration shebang that got pushed to the political fore ~2008 is slowly pushing not just this idea mainstream (since it always has been), but the expression of this idea mainstream. It’s not there yet, not by a long shot, but you talk to ‘conservative’ boomers who harp on about illegal immigration blah blah blah and throw this in their faces – “I don’t want immigration period, legal or illegal, because I want my babies to be able to marry someone who looks, thinks, and has gods like them,” – and you’ll get a bunch of uncomfortable shuffling because you’ve forced a conscious realization that you’re right.

    Used to be the Newspeak would kick in before they recognized the stupidity.

    As for younger? Those who aren’t already lost to the bugmen are basically already there.

    It feels like the alt right in 2009.

  15. mike1 January 9, 2019 at 01:43

    Great reply to those comments.

    At this point if someone does not “believe” in IQ I have reached the STFU point. You don’t have to believe in gravity either but jumping off a cliff will hurt.

    As someone said above IQ is simply horsepower (that is literally how I have taken to describing it as well). It measures your ability to understand and complete a task. The more abstract the task, the higher the IQ you will need to get it done.

    IQ is also not close to everything. My Dad had genius level IQ and thought it made sense to talk to people in a combination of three different languages (one of which was a tribal language with a worldwide total of about 5,000 speakers). Very stupid behavior.

    Energy is at least (probably more) important than IQ. Someone with a 100 IQ and boundless energy will likely be more successful than a lazy person with a 150 IQ.

    Another point is no one understands the concept of median. A median IQ of “x” does not mean an entire country has that exact IQ. How is this a complicated concept?!

  16. GW January 9, 2019 at 18:11

    Spot on. IQ fetishism is annoying when it is technically wrong; IQ denial is suicidal because it is always wrong.

    As an immigrant Taleb has little feel for how the culturally-received post-WWII view of race has poisoned the well in all functions of Western society and law. Affirmative action costs billions and is unfair to whites. Mass immigration from poor countries costs even more. Other standards–from the worth of a HS diploma to prison sentences for violent crimes to hiring decisions in the military or private sector–are being eroded in order to accede to “disparate impact” theories. And the rationalizations for blaming black/brown failure on whites can always get worse. Look at South Africa.

    • iTheIntelligenceQuestïn January 17, 2019 at 22:47

      American University will no longer grade the quality of writing. A brief quote will suffice:

      “This plenary will argue against the use of conventional standards in college courses that grade student writing by single standards. Inoue will discuss the ways that White language supremacy is perpetuated in college classrooms despite the better intentions of faculty, particularly through the practices of grading writing.”

      To the intelligence question, intelligence answers come. Lol.

  17. Aldon January 18, 2019 at 05:39

    Taleb’s We Wuzzery gets smacked around on 8ch pol:

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