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Sexual Orientation

This proves two ideas which have been part of common sense since the advent of humanity until 1960.

One is that women’s sexuality is more malleable than men’s. More psychological. Men are more physically constrained. More hard-wired, say. Which makes sense of course, because in the ancestral environment, indeed for all mammals, to achieve successful reproduction you just need to motivate the male. The female will do what it must, Melian style.

The second idea this proves is that abnormal sexual orientation is correlated with mental disease. And yeah correlation is not causation… sometimes. Sometimes it is.

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40 responses to “Sexual Orientation

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  2. JB June 10, 2017 at 13:04

    Weininger talks about this shit, doesn’t he?

  3. Imperial Energy June 10, 2017 at 15:43

    Autism is a mental disease?

    • spandrell June 10, 2017 at 16:13

      Or a disorder. Call it how you will. But it’s not a characteristic of healthy humans.

      • Imperial Energy June 10, 2017 at 16:27

        Health is a relative term.

        • spandrell June 10, 2017 at 17:30

          Everything is a relative term, and human groups set standards so that conversation is possible.
          Don’t come to a linguist’s blog to play semantics.

          • Imperial Energy June 10, 2017 at 17:41

            Can you not have conversations with autistic people? Why does Autism exist anyway?

            Is it not possible that the kind of intelligence that autistic people possess not convey certain evolutionary advantages?

            The other thing to consider is that what psychologists consider a “disorder” is “relative” because it is shot through with un-examined normative assumptions.

            • spandrell June 10, 2017 at 18:34

              You’re not gonna persuade me that autism is cool; I apparently I’m not gonna convince you that the word “disorder” exists because it’s useful, and putting autism inside it is part of that usefulness.

              But hey, I’m with the mainstream here for once, so I don’t need to spend energy convincing you.

              • Imperial Energy June 10, 2017 at 18:41

                “usefulness.”

                Is sociopath useful? Yet, it is considered a disorder?

                Presumably, there is a spectrum of people with the “disorder” and this gives them differing potential to “function”.

                Newton was, perhaps, the smartest man who ever lived but he may have been autistic or had Asperger’s “syndrome”.

                Also, the assumption that “disorders” are cool is unwarranted; some disorders may convey evolutionary advantage, but that does not mean that you would want them, or that people who have them enjoy suffering from them.

                • spandrell June 10, 2017 at 18:58

                  Sociopaths are very useful. More useful than you, who can’t even parse a simple sentence.

                  The adjective “useful” qualified “word”, not “disorder”. I guess plenty of autists are useful; I still won’t give it to you that autism is not a disorder. So leave it there. And stop misunderstanding me, or else go comment somewhere else.

                  You know, people like you are like the Down Syndrome Parents Association of Japan, who lobbied the government to stop approval of non-invasive screening, or like deaf people trying to lobby against cochlear implants to protest “cultural genocide of deaf culture”. Which is true, and kinda sad if you’re into that stuff. But deafness is still a disorder. Down syndrome is a horrible disorder. And autism is, more often than not, a horrible disorder, even if mild cases can be incredibly useful.

                  • Imperial Energy June 10, 2017 at 19:16

                    Well, thanks, but I got you to “parse” your assumption that autism is a disorder by admitting the possibility that autism could be useful and by also by accepting that “sociopathy” can also be useful.

                    Didn’t mean to nit pick, just thought you of all people should have been more alert to imbibing modern, progressive assumptions about human nature.

                  • j June 11, 2017 at 17:58

                    Thanks God there is at least one normal person who thinks that autism is a horrible disease. The “official” opinion in our academic circles is that autism adds to “diversity”. An august professor of genetics said that he would not like to live in a world without Beethoven (deaf), Toulouse-Latrec (dwarf), Van Gogh (mad as a hatter), etc. Pfuiia.

                  • Cavalier June 11, 2017 at 18:30

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            • iProof June 12, 2017 at 07:42

              Don’t conflate autism with lack of mammalian instincts (like the instinct to pretend, gain power, fall in line behind power and revere who holds it, side with the stronger group in any prospective or actual struggle, …), that is Asperger’s syndrome and “Aspergoid tendencies.”

              Nearly all geniuses are Aspergoids, and some may have Asperger. Autism is another matter, and there is no thinkable advantage to having it, in as far as I know

              • spandrell June 12, 2017 at 12:14

                The medical standard now is to call everything from aspergoids to deep autists as being in the “Autism spectrum disorder”, ASD as in the graph. Obviously the real world consequences are very different.

                • Alrenous June 15, 2017 at 09:08

                  When the medical profession makes an error I’m not obliged to agree with it.
                  The sperg has more creativity. The autist, less. They’re different disorders.

                  Asperger’s, at least with some personality profiles, is overall adaptive for modern civilization. Albeit barely, due to the various deficits, such as the severe motor coordination deficit.

              • j June 12, 2017 at 15:48

                I conflate nothing. The said academic luminary did that and worse.

                • parisian June 12, 2017 at 22:37

                  ‘Thanks God there is at least one normal person who thinks that autism is a horrible disease. The “official” opinion in our academic circles is that autism adds to “diversity”. An august professor of genetics said that he would not like to live in a world without Beethoven (deaf), Toulouse-Latrec (dwarf), Van Gogh (mad as a hatter), etc. Pfuiia.

                  Are you a merely illiterate asshole? Of course ‘autism is a horrilble disease’, but then you’re not even corrected when you shit all over the place about Beethoven (by far the most offensive and flagrantly stupid) and even the others. To read you, Beethoven’s essential quality was ‘deafness’, and even when he was, it wasn’t ‘profound deafness’, if it’s like ‘profound blindness’, in which inner images are no longer seen–because he heard with his ‘mind’s ear’ all that ‘late Beethoven music’ when he was deaf. The ‘august professor’, however, was right about all three, although I don’t know for sure if VanG was congenitally ‘mad as a hatter’ (I assume T-L was known to be a dwarf early on). But Beethoven wrote most of his masterpieces when he could hear quite well or well-enough. Do you even know that? That has nothing whatsoever to do with autism, and so what did the ‘luminary professor’ say that was ‘worse’ even? Anybody, including those of us who consider autism a disease/disorder, know that they all went beyond it in at least some ways, but to read you, Beethoven essential characteristic was ‘deafness’, nevermind that he played the piano and conducted till he was 41–those you cannot do when you are deaf. You want to put down an ‘august professor’, and plenty of them need it, but not this one. He was right. Western Music would have gone about the same insipid way as English Music until the 20th c. were it not for Beethoven, there would have been no Wagner, no Schumann, no Liszt. I mean, do you really think Beethoven is an early proponent of ‘deafness culture’. A Musical World without Beethoven is indeed unthinkable. He could write despite his deafness, and proved it, but he’d already proved it long before he was deaf.

                  ‘The said academic luminary did that and worse. ‘

                  So what’s the worse, you rube? What’s the worse? You write like the razorwire person at the blog I steer clear of. He knows nothing and spews it all the time too. Who needs it?

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  5. Dave June 10, 2017 at 20:56

    Feminism has poisoned relations between the sexes, so it’s hardly surprising that more people seek solace in the arms of their own sex. I see such opportunistic bisexuality all around me. Autistics are especially affected because they lack people skills, so when parents, schools, and media all say that boys and girls are the same, autistics believe it.

    Thus we sabotage our most vulnerable with sadistic lies, Rehtaeh Parsons being an especially tragic example. Promiscuity only makes you more popular if you’re a guy. Fair or not, that’s how it is.

    • Daniel June 17, 2017 at 02:34

      >Autistics are especially affected because they lack people skills, so when parents, schools, and media all say that boys and girls are the same, autistics believe it.

      Certainly happened to me.

  6. parisian June 10, 2017 at 21:01

    Spandrell–are there are a lot of autistic people in NRx, or is that something outsiders (more outsider than me even) think, or wrongly say so? I know there are no NRx who identify as homosexual (there used to be one who was always ‘fighting it’, but he’s disappeared), but in reading the NRx blogs for a few years, I think I hear more people calling each other ‘autist’ than elsewhere, and I think I have read some blog comments that call all or many of you autists. Obviously, I agree with you on this, not saying I exactly ‘like you’, since who cares? You’re funny and a bastard, and I don’t think autists usually are in any obvious way. Alrenous told me I wouldn’t (as ‘normie muscian’) like ‘sperg music’, and I looked around and found that ‘spergs’ were possibly not different from ‘high-functioning autists’. He didn’t tell me what ‘sperg music’ even was, I wondered if it was related to the ‘coloured noises’, but that goes so far back. I don’t know if ‘sperglord’ is a high-functioning autist, brilliant (but scary) in that scientific way Alrenous is.

    • parisian June 10, 2017 at 21:04

      ‘musician’, not ‘muscian’. I once called someone ‘autistic’ on a far-left blog in 2006, and was told I may not say that as an insult.

    • spandrell June 10, 2017 at 23:12

      Sperg is what normies call people who sound smarter than them; so when the alt-right starting growing and conflicting with neoreaction, sperg was their usual insult.

      I can think of 2 people who are kinda spergy, but I’m not very involved these days. The music they like is indeed a good indicator.

      • Cavalier June 11, 2017 at 18:33

        “The music they like is indeed a good indicator.”

        Do go on….

        • parisian June 11, 2017 at 19:03

          Yes, I’d like to hear more too: ‘the music they like’ is closer to the truth than ‘sperg music’, which doesn’t seem to exist as such, and Alrenous won’t likely bother. Painful looking it up, one ‘Spokane_Girl’ in a thread actually said “I like oldies, children’s, and any music from ‘A League of Their Own’.” One said the deceptive cadence drove him nuts. Couldn’t go far, because I couldn’t quit laughing uncontrollably and felt guilty.

          • Alrenous June 15, 2017 at 09:24

            ‘Autist’ is something /pol/ likes to throw at folk who can’t handle their high v-IQ norms.

            Strongly suspecting the rise of Crystal Method is related to the surge in sperg/autist diagnoses. I’m vastly more likely to enjoy music when there’s no people in it.

            There’s the problem where music tastes vary widely and I’m not necessarily representative.

            • parisian June 16, 2017 at 02:20

              It’s harder to follow some of the things you say about these things than just listen to the music, which is by no means that strange and none of these 3 you posted are at all unpleasant to my classical-normie ears, and the third one is quite beautiful, you can sink into it easily enough. I was exhausted getting home from something and listened only to the Anamanaguchi at that moment, but the quality was horrible, stopping and starting every few seconds, but I still somehow found it very sexy. 2 1/2 hours later I didn’t hear it as a hard-driving (but polished) pleasure-tool, but could hear it more clearly after a restart from start to finish.

              They don’t develop in the traditional way, but hasn’t that been the case since Philip Glass? I’ve heard some of newer of his a few years ago, and I liked these things better, although the 2nd reminded me of this kind of old coffee ad from tv, chipper and bright. They tend to hold one mood, as far as I’ve been able to gather thus far, and are related to some film scores, including some like those of David Lynch (but this 3rd one I much preferred to any of those ‘drone scores’ someone used to shove at me.)

              The matter of ‘bombing your eardrums’, as The Dividualist was talking about, doesn’t apply to any of these obviously. He mentioned ‘techno’, and I think jungle and techno were the big things of the 90s raves, etc., and are always discussed as the music the Nick and his Warwick acolytes were obsessed with (my guess is they wanted some ‘eardrum bombing’, even though weren’t lesbians. I’ve never personally cared for any of that.) Just throwing a couple of observations out here, but none of this was what I was expecting. I suppose I don’t re-listen to these kinds of things that much, but I might the 3rd one. ‘without people in them’, in what sense? without voices? You also mention the matter of personal tastes and how you’re ‘not representative’. The impression one would get from these is not what one gets from reading your blog or comments: These tend to the lush and rich, verging definitely on the cinematic in the last one very clearly. A bombardment is not there in any of them, so I don’t know why this is called ‘sperg music’, because even people who still value Bach, Chopin and maybe even Haydn and Mozart, god knows, should generally have no difficulty with enjoying it. At least by now. Do you listen to some of it for a trance effect? I can see that happening with B-12 especially,

              I think I saw ‘autist’ written on 8chan when I read it for a couple of weeks several years ago. The time I called someone that, it was a 9/11 conspiracist who was neither intelligent nor intellectual, but it was at that time those types enraged me. There’s been an odd one at ‘Jim’s Blog’ in the last few weeks, saying they’re ‘all arranged’, but I’m over it enough by now.

              I wish you’d say more, but thank you. I expected it to be quite harsh at least some of the time, and must look up Crystal Method, but I knew, once listening, I would overwrite again. You write very laconically and also sometimes in a very hard way, so you may find words such as ‘beautiful’ all wrong, cheaply sentimental, or uncomprehending for even the 3rd one. Although the first one had seemed so richly erotic in a vertical, energetic way (not dreamy-erotic.) Mysterious this.

              • Alrenous June 16, 2017 at 04:46

                I call it sperg music because it’s obscure and all but guaranteed to remain obscure, among other reasons. I’m amazed even Crystal Method is vaguely mainstreamish.
                Sadly I don’t get trance effects. My sense of music is single variant, goes from ‘good’ to ‘boring.’

                By no people I mean no voices, and relatedly no pianos or guitars. There’s quite a few pop songs with good openings where they drop 2/3rds of the music so you can hear some asshole talk about himself. I’ve heard a voice before, thanks.

                I’m tolerant of repetitive songs, though I can’t seem to find a bookmark of one. Maybe this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qXmxVySMzw Or this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xshEZzpS4CQ&index=11&list=RDp7ZsBPK656s

                I’m aware of the ye olde meaning of erotic. Consumptive/unifying affection..

                • parisian June 16, 2017 at 06:42

                  I see. Yes. Thug-sound is definitely outside stochastics calculus (which brings more glittering sounds), but may not be outside things I haven’t got time to find out about, and you may not know all about them either, or they mightn’t be tolerable. Obscure but singular rarefaction–yes, formidable and exciting. Heard less in the second one of these, though.

    • Cavalier June 11, 2017 at 18:33

      The modern use of “autist” as an Internet insult comes from the chans, I’m pretty sure. “Weaponized autism”, and all that.

    • danielchieh June 13, 2017 at 05:02

      From someone who has family member with autism, I’m going to say that it is rather unlikely. Generally speaking, autism affects verbal communication skills(including writing) and NRX primarily communicates through writing.

  7. iProof June 12, 2017 at 07:48

    The second idea this proves is that abnormal sexual orientation is correlated with mental disease.

    This looks yet more conclusive and incontrovertible than your classic s@iler proof. I’ll call it a sp@ndrell proof.

  8. Weldon June 12, 2017 at 18:25

    Is being White supremacist bad 462? Jew supremacy is openly practiced and called Zionism 893. The US government supports Jew supremacy so much they give over $50 BILLION a year to a Jew homeland. Should Whites not have a homeland paid for by US tax dollars, too? 830 Google SEWER GoreFuckKult

  9. Dividualist June 14, 2017 at 09:58

    For women it makes sense, but the idea of a gay male autist/Asperger sounds incredibly weird to me. I actually have an Asperger diagnosis, light version, and we tend to be crude, in a way. Not noticing subtle things. People whose brains need strong signals, delicate signals are not passing some filter. You don’t sip wine, you guzzle beer. You see about four colors, at least the others don’t really matter. You talk too loud and have a tendency to pound on the table to make people listen. If you listen to music you bomb your eardrums with metal shredding or techno drums. This is how Asperger seems to me, a tone-deafness to subtle things due to some kind of input filter in the brain. All this delicacy and sophisticatedness that is associated with gay male culture does not seem to match. On the other hand I can absolutely imagine lesbian battle mares having it. If a woman built like a brick downs a deer, barfs loudly, and grins, I would suspect both Asperger and lesbian.

  10. parisian June 14, 2017 at 20:05

    ‘Lesbian battle mares’–coolest phrase I’ve heard in a while. You may have meant, in your ‘lack of subtlety’, that she ‘farts loudly’, but I’m sure she’d be glad to ‘barf loudly’ too with no shame. Thanks for the musical input–the ‘bombing the ears’ explains something important of what I wanted to know.

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