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Cognitive elite redux

Jim will like this one:

A scientist has said it would be possible to clone a Neanderthal baby from ancient DNA if he could find a woman willing to act as a surrogate.

From the Telegraph.

The guy in question is George Church, professor at Harvard School of Medicine. Take a look at him.

Some preacher circa Massachusets 1680

Well the guy does look insane. But don’t take my word for it. See his rationale for wanting to clone a Neanderthal.

“When the time comes to deal with an epidemic or getting off the planet or whatever, it’s conceivable that their way of thinking could be beneficial. They could maybe even create a new neo-Neanderthal culture and become a political force. The main goal is to increase diversity. The one thing that is bad for society is low diversity.”

What’s with this guy? Perhaps he’s taking blue pills to cure his narcolepsy? As Moldbug says, he started with blue weed and is now with blue heroin. The one thing that is bad for society is low diversity. Holy crap.

Now I’ve heard many theories about the diversity cult. The Jewish conspiracy to prevent the emergence of another white majoritarian movement. The Earl Raab quote. That makes some sense. But cloning long dead humanoids to increase diversity? Because they might help treat epidemics! Well, how are all those diverse tribes around the world been doing with their medical research? Any Rohingya Alexander Fleming lately? I think its pretty obvious that diversity causes epidemics. Ask the Amerindians about it.

I guess it’s simpler than that and this guy is just an attention-whore. Judging by the sheer amount of pictures he has on Google Images, yes he looks like the kind of guy who’s just so glad of having met himself. Narcissist academics. Perhaps in 200 years, the story of the decline of Western Civilisation will be summarised with those two words.

It is a sad world we’re in, where the only way to get some media attention is to announce some new scheme for dividing and conquering your own society. Fortunately we have another narcissistic academic who makes good arguments against the diversity cult. He’s not doing too well though.

UPDATE: There’s a lot more on an interview he gave to Der Spiegel. After reading it I’m inclined to cut the guy much more slack. If only because of the horribly smug attitude of the Stasi-descended Spiegel journalists. People, if you think the American Cathedral is bad, you should come see the Northern Europe branches.

It seems the guy is just an almost stereotypical mad scientist with a lot of ideas, and is genuinely curious about how Neanderthals would behave. That’s legit, I can’t say I’m not curious myself. I’m also inclined to think that his diversity nonsense is just a trick to deflect a Cathedralist inquisition. It’s not working though, see how the Spiegel interrogates him on his faith. He doesn’t have one, so he’s toast.

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16 responses to “Cognitive elite redux

  1. nyk January 21, 2013 at 10:32

    Ah, but imagine the shock when this cloned individual from a different species turns out to be not much different from the typical White than the Australian Aborigine (probably with some additional speech-related issues).

    • spandrell January 21, 2013 at 11:04

      There was this theory that Neanderthals were smart but introverted (couldn’t speak nor wanted to), so they lost against the dumb but social sapiens jocks.

      • Anonymous January 22, 2013 at 05:56

        Only person I’ve seen advance that theory was an “introvert game” blogger who pretty clearly has aspergers and maybe even autism, but I admit I’m not well read on the issue

        • spandrell January 22, 2013 at 06:13

          Lol, who’s that?
          FWIW I think it was a comment thread in Peter Frost or something like that. Can’t really remember.

          • Handle January 22, 2013 at 13:47

            It’s this guy. Basic idea – Neanderthals are better in many ways but disappeared through interbreeding into the (mainly) Northern European human populations, and some of us have more Neanderthal in us than others. There’s a kinda-sorta, um … Aryan … feel about the whole thing – you can be the judge. The “Sapiens vs. Thals” terminology is tiresome, and the casual phenotypology is absurd. Not worth your time except to verify that it’s not worth your time.

            Anyway – is it just me, or did anyone else think that Professor Cathedral Church was joking. It sounded like what I would say if I were making an exaggerated parody of the diversity cult. Maybe it’s satire that’s supposed to be dog-whistling … to us?

            Then again, maybe he’s just whoring for grant money. Remember when I proposed (at this blog!) doing the same by attaching “to eradicate racism” to anything we’d like to do? Well, Cathedral Church is kind of doing that too with his “to eradicate low diversity!” It’s gotten to the point where we can’t tell whether it’s purely tongue-in-cheek, a cynical manipulative appeal for press and funding, or if he’s being completely cooky-cult-insane sincere. Strange days these …

  2. Anonymous January 22, 2013 at 05:54

    Have you considered that he is either a. mocking the diversity fetishists or b. making a calculated decision that if they don’t approve this project it is going nowhere, or c. both?

    • spandrell January 22, 2013 at 06:14

      Should I? What’s his track record? You don’t get far in Harvard by mocking the diversity cult.

      I think this guy is 1. an attention-whore 2. Is real curious about how Neanderthals would behave. I think that’s legit, scientists are supposed to be driven like this.

      Best-case scenario he doesn’t give a shit about the diversity cult but thinks it’s an expedient rationale to do what he wants: mad science. Not that he will get away with it, but he might as well try.

  3. BB January 22, 2013 at 14:26

    Isn’t this the same guy who was trying to reverse-engineer chickens into dinosaurs? I thought mad scientimmsts had also gone extinct.

  4. SDL January 23, 2013 at 00:27

    It’s always hard to tell whether the diversity shilling is a front. I can’t help thinking of Cavalli-Sforza at Stanford, whose book The History and Geography of Human Genes proclaims that race is a myth while simultaneously sporting a cover that demonstrates race is not a myth.

    Diversity, multiculturalism, anti-racism, or whatever is an ‘all or nothing’ game in academia at the moment. Either Diversity is your god-term, the value upon which all else is built, or you risk stalling your career. I’m perfectly willing to have a serious dialectic about the benefits and costs of all types of diversity–from biodiversity in rainforests to cultural diversity under a single national state. It’s all complex territory, of course, but we’re not allowed to treat it as such. If you’re not for it, you’re against it. So, I think people like our mad scientist here just knows he has to go all in, attaching the big D to any crazy idea he wants to pursue. A true believer? I think the research itself is a better arbiter of belief–and I can’t imagine a true believer wanting to clone anything.

  5. asdf January 23, 2013 at 05:46

    Cheap Chulupas had a post up saying this guy jumped the shark. Then fearing that the inner party had moved the goal posts without telling him he came out with a post today telling South American governments that they didn’t know what the correct immigration policies for their countries were and he was going to tell them.

    • spandrell January 23, 2013 at 05:54

      Yeah, the holier than thou comment was hilarious.

      Also see my comment in the Latin America post. I wasn’t expecting responses but hey, people do agree with common sense sometimes.

  6. Haru September 8, 2016 at 23:55

    Whoah, this is a very harsh interview. I thought the more “check if he conforms to Cathedral” parts were about GMOs though:

    “There has been a lot of fierce public opposition to genetic engineering in Germany. How do you experience this? Do you find it annoying?”. This was designed to provoke a defensive response from the professor, and dismiss him as someone deranged.

    I’m curious about the faith questioning though: I thought having a faith wasn’t cool nowadays, since they go against homosexuality?

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